Both fought in the Peloponnesian war.
Glaucon, an artist, more ambitious. Ademantus, more down to earth.
The intrinsically desirable
The extrinsically desirable
Show Justice is doubly-desirable.
Glaucon's Claim: It is extrinsically desirable
They say to do injustice is by nature good; to suffer injustice, evil; but that the evil is greater than the good... Hence there arise laws and mutual covenants... justice, being at a middle point between [doing harm and suffering harm] is tolerated not as a good, but as a lesser evil
In order to answer the challenge, while resisting these arguments, Socrates must
in the larger, the quantity of justice is likely to be larger and more easily discernible. I propose therefore that we enquire into the nature of justice and injustice, first as they appear in the State, and secondly in the individual
Basic social roles, farmers, traders, etc.
War and famine are avoided by abstaining from luxuries.
Justice consists "in the dealings of these citizens with one another"
In my opinion the true and healthy constitution of the state is the one which I have described.
in a more luxurious state, we shall be more likely to see how justice and injustice originate
Add artisans, musicians, cooks, swineherds, physicians...
And an army (since neighboring cities will want to invade)
A group of people who are both passionate enough to defend the city, and gentle enough to be good citizens must be lovers of wisdom
Careful censorship of fiction: only truth about the Gods.
Echoes of Xenophanes